Where in your christian theology can you be sure where President Hinckley is. No one christian church teaches the same thing about the after life. Are you really that sure you know? It amazes me the smugness of so called Christians who proclaim to have the one truth and yet each church has differing views. Please explain exactly where President Hinckley is. . . I await with anticipation to see your interpretation so I can compare it to the thousands of other christian interpretations and continue to swim in the tumult of opinions your oneism ideology promotes.
One can only take for granted, by the tone of rhetoric and colorfulness in which you expressed yourself that you are probably not a member of the ranks of the brethren? Maybe or just perhaps, you could be one that departed a quasi-organization because of various and numerous reasons or problems? Evidence is over-whelming and perpetuates this disbelief by you saying, “Your christian belief” (not including yourself and the small “c” in Christian denotes a tone of disrespect)?
Since you don’t evidentially subscribe to traditional biblical belief yourself, then why do you care where Mr. Hinckley went to? The secular world doesn’t believe in the afterlife, so are you just perhaps bored this Friday and looking for an argument? You remind me of a diabetic that goes into a candy store to shop and then bellyaches about the merchandise? As far as the world is concerned, he might have departed to the North Pole and is sitting on the right hand side of Santa?
Actually my comments were an attack on the very pretinousness about Gordon B. Hinckley’s current staus in which the preceding comments were written. The capitalization was an oversight but the intonation was accurately pick up on. As a matter of fact I believe President Hinckley was a prophet of God. Now you can jump down my throat with your indoctrinated anti-Mormon rhetoric, that you claim to be truth but I ask this one question, how much of your life have you spent helping other people? If you were honest with yourself I can guarantee it is not a smidgeon of the time President HInckley spent. Yet didn’t Christ say in as much as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me? Christ preached a gospel of inclusion not castigation. I find the types of comments made about a man many believe is a prophet rude and pious. There was a similar group that was too pious to see a prophet when he was in their midst. They though they had the truth and when the Messiah came among them they crucified him. Be careful that you are not too pious in your righteousness and your divisiveness that you miss the next time He comes.
Jesus is not just Lord he is the Christ the very son of God,
and Joseph Smith was his prophet as was Gordon B. Hinckley.
Sir, please allow me to say. First, just for the record, Jesus Christ was not only the “Son of God”, but he too was “God in Flesh”. I am sure that you knew this….
Secondly, As far as your argument, I don’t careless about anyone’s past works or dead-works, to include that of Mr. Hinckley or Mr. Smith. Adolph Hitler too provided orphanages, jobs and social programs, so by this standards does this make Hitler a great prophet or righteous too? The Sadducees and Pharisees’ used bragging of works as a measuring stick for their self-righteousness. Also, as far as salvation goes, ask yourself what does man bring to the table, to use as bargaining chip with God? So, what can we boast about’ “Works”?
Also, you made a statement that depicted that I would argue about Mr. Hinckley’s present location? Wrong, I would waste my time declaring the whereabouts of this individual or any other after death of the flesh? I couldn’t care less, and regardless of his life, all of us will stand judgment, and there is nothing anyone can do for any of the departed……
Your questions weren’t unjust or wrong but it is just how you make blanket statements and disrespectful tones. Have you ever tried to direct the question(s) to the person(s) you are addressing; perhaps by name? While attacking people doesn’t inspire successful communications, just anger and bitterness. I never said a thing about this person (Mr. Hinckley) one-way or the other, my concern was your anger and bitterness depicted in general. I guess lashing out at everyone justifies the means (hmmmmm), and I know that would make Jesus proud….
If I may speak for those who commented on this post who your anger was directed toward:
The Bible is clear (in the first chapter of Galatians) that anyone who preaches another “gospel,” even if they be an angel (like Moroni) other than the gospel that was already preached, they are to be an anathema (cursed). No one who is cursed will find themselves in the presence of God, except to stand in judgment before being cast into the lake of fire.
Mr. Hinckley accepted, professed, taught, endorsed, and defended another gospel. The gospel of Mormonism, not the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is obvious reasoning from the truth revealed in the Scriptures, (not mere opinion), that Mr. Hinckley is not in Heaven.
I know that you disagree, but I am not trying to argue that, I’m just trying to help you to understand the Christian point of view.
If assurance is “smugness” as you suggest, then allow me to cite some names you may recognize of individuals who were “sure” (or smug as you would define assurance) in what they believed and taught:
Jesus Christ
The Apostle Paul
The Apostle Peter
The Apostle John
The Prophet Elijah
The Prophet Daniel
The Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith
The Mormon Prophet Brigham Young
The Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley
You see, you err when you assume that assurance of truth is “smugness.” The issue is not in the “assurance,” it is in the “truth.”
In regards to your implying that Christianity won’t agree on Hinckley’s whereabouts because of the presence of denominations, I must say that you are mistaken.
Every true Christian denomination holds to the main doctrinal teachings of the Church. They differ on non-essential areas, like observance of holidays or diets, but they all agree on the essentials. It’s when a church finds itself teaching a different gospel or anything contrary to the essential teachings of Christianity that they are no longer considered “Christian.” Much like Mormonism!
Now I would caution you from trying to play the worn out LDS defense card of “cite the Christian denominations as proof they are all wrong.” Especially when you consider there are numerous off-chutes of Mormonism (I am aware that mainstream LDS doesn’t like that fact getting out because they have been trying to convince everyone that there are no “Mormon denominations”).
Allow me to list just a few here:
* LDS Salt Lake City (LDS-SLC)
* Reorganized LDS (Community of Christ)
* Fundamentalist LDS
* Church of Christ (Temple Lot)
* Restoration LDS
* Church of Christ With the Elijah Message
* The Church of Jesus Christ
* The Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times (now defunct)
* The Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerites)
* The Pentecostal LDS
* The Restored Church of Jesus Christ
* The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days (Thanks to my friend Fourpointer for this list).
Many of these “Mormon denominations” would probably also agree that Mr. Hinckley is not in Heaven, because according to them, the mainstream LDS organization is apostate. (I have to caution you here not to tear down these other “Mormon denominations” because that could be viewed as “smugness”).
I actually have more respect for these groups (although I certainly don’t agree with them) because they at least still hold to the true teachings of Mormonism like polygamy. You know, that everlasting covenant that can still be found in the Mormon cannon of D&C section 132. They didn’t cave to pressure and change their “doctrine” when it became politically expedient to do so when the U.S. government was going to deny statehood to Utah.
And this is no peripheral issue! LDS taught that the practice of polygamy was essential to ones salvation and the soul that did not practice it would be damned.
I’d love to hear where all the other “Mormon denominations” think Mr. Hinckley is at and I’d love to hear what they think about mainstream Mormons acting like they don’t exist.
I would like to know Anonymous’ beliefs, to include his views concerning his Mr. Hinckley; why he thinks he is in heaven or hell…or wherever? By his attitude, I wasn’t for certain at first if he was an atheist, a Mormon or just someone looking for an argument. He is obviously very intelligent but to me, I think sometimes, if a person does not set his cards on the table that he is more than likely trying to draw someone into a meaningless one-sided squabble. I know that he is “Works” orientated. I have learned over the years to pick my battles, whereas it is better to dust off the sandals or not to cast pearls. I too thought about Galatians 1:8-9, but in his circumstance I didn’t see it sprouting fruit. I must be getting old?
Whether you are Mormon or Christian or Catholic i know not yet you all seem to agree about the bible and that Jesus was the Son of God. to judge a man, whether Charles Manson or mother Theresa, is actually against both of these common grounds. this is Jesus talking and guess where we find this passage? that’s right the bible. MATTHEW 7:1-5:
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
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let me impart to you this. a man whether good or bad WILL be dealt with by the Lord God in the end no matter how good or bad they are. God is a perfect being all just and all merciful and where he sends each of us is really, truthfully none of your business. the only person you should be worried about is yourself. you are your business. For the lord has set aside for you a crown that must be won. whether you choose to win it is your choice. For those who choose to not take this crown shall languish in a place far worse than earth. For those that do the shall fufill the entire purpose of creation to be completely satisfied and happy in the glorious present. We all make these decisions. though mabye this is just a sixteen year old boy who really doesn’t know what he is talking about if that’s the case well i can only hope the lord enlightens me. anyways worry about yourselves.
Christ Alone Wyoming 
And the story of history goes on. It is appointed a man once to die and then comes judgment.
Thinking you will become god when you die while on earth may be a good idea to some, but I bet Mr Gordon B. Hickley does not think so now.
The sad thing is this man has lead many more down the road to eternal damnation who too will be appointed once to die and then to judgment.
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It’s saddening because, we as Christians, can be sure where Mr. Hinckley is & there is no hope for him, not now, or for eternity.
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Where in your christian theology can you be sure where President Hinckley is. No one christian church teaches the same thing about the after life. Are you really that sure you know? It amazes me the smugness of so called Christians who proclaim to have the one truth and yet each church has differing views. Please explain exactly where President Hinckley is. . . I await with anticipation to see your interpretation so I can compare it to the thousands of other christian interpretations and continue to swim in the tumult of opinions your oneism ideology promotes.
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Greeting Anonymous,
One can only take for granted, by the tone of rhetoric and colorfulness in which you expressed yourself that you are probably not a member of the ranks of the brethren? Maybe or just perhaps, you could be one that departed a quasi-organization because of various and numerous reasons or problems? Evidence is over-whelming and perpetuates this disbelief by you saying, “Your christian belief” (not including yourself and the small “c” in Christian denotes a tone of disrespect)?
Since you don’t evidentially subscribe to traditional biblical belief yourself, then why do you care where Mr. Hinckley went to? The secular world doesn’t believe in the afterlife, so are you just perhaps bored this Friday and looking for an argument? You remind me of a diabetic that goes into a candy store to shop and then bellyaches about the merchandise? As far as the world is concerned, he might have departed to the North Pole and is sitting on the right hand side of Santa?
Have a good weekend
Jesus is Lord
Jeff
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Actually my comments were an attack on the very pretinousness about Gordon B. Hinckley’s current staus in which the preceding comments were written. The capitalization was an oversight but the intonation was accurately pick up on. As a matter of fact I believe President Hinckley was a prophet of God. Now you can jump down my throat with your indoctrinated anti-Mormon rhetoric, that you claim to be truth but I ask this one question, how much of your life have you spent helping other people? If you were honest with yourself I can guarantee it is not a smidgeon of the time President HInckley spent. Yet didn’t Christ say in as much as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me? Christ preached a gospel of inclusion not castigation. I find the types of comments made about a man many believe is a prophet rude and pious. There was a similar group that was too pious to see a prophet when he was in their midst. They though they had the truth and when the Messiah came among them they crucified him. Be careful that you are not too pious in your righteousness and your divisiveness that you miss the next time He comes.
Jesus is not just Lord he is the Christ the very son of God,
and Joseph Smith was his prophet as was Gordon B. Hinckley.
Have a nice weekend as well.
Andrew
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Greetings Anonymous,
Sir, please allow me to say. First, just for the record, Jesus Christ was not only the “Son of God”, but he too was “God in Flesh”. I am sure that you knew this….
Secondly, As far as your argument, I don’t careless about anyone’s past works or dead-works, to include that of Mr. Hinckley or Mr. Smith. Adolph Hitler too provided orphanages, jobs and social programs, so by this standards does this make Hitler a great prophet or righteous too? The Sadducees and Pharisees’ used bragging of works as a measuring stick for their self-righteousness. Also, as far as salvation goes, ask yourself what does man bring to the table, to use as bargaining chip with God? So, what can we boast about’ “Works”?
Also, you made a statement that depicted that I would argue about Mr. Hinckley’s present location? Wrong, I would waste my time declaring the whereabouts of this individual or any other after death of the flesh? I couldn’t care less, and regardless of his life, all of us will stand judgment, and there is nothing anyone can do for any of the departed……
Your questions weren’t unjust or wrong but it is just how you make blanket statements and disrespectful tones. Have you ever tried to direct the question(s) to the person(s) you are addressing; perhaps by name? While attacking people doesn’t inspire successful communications, just anger and bitterness. I never said a thing about this person (Mr. Hinckley) one-way or the other, my concern was your anger and bitterness depicted in general. I guess lashing out at everyone justifies the means (hmmmmm), and I know that would make Jesus proud….
Have a great weekend
Jesus is Lord
Jeff
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Dear Anonymous (aka Andrew),
If I may speak for those who commented on this post who your anger was directed toward:
The Bible is clear (in the first chapter of Galatians) that anyone who preaches another “gospel,” even if they be an angel (like Moroni) other than the gospel that was already preached, they are to be an anathema (cursed). No one who is cursed will find themselves in the presence of God, except to stand in judgment before being cast into the lake of fire.
Mr. Hinckley accepted, professed, taught, endorsed, and defended another gospel. The gospel of Mormonism, not the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore, it is obvious reasoning from the truth revealed in the Scriptures, (not mere opinion), that Mr. Hinckley is not in Heaven.
I know that you disagree, but I am not trying to argue that, I’m just trying to help you to understand the Christian point of view.
If assurance is “smugness” as you suggest, then allow me to cite some names you may recognize of individuals who were “sure” (or smug as you would define assurance) in what they believed and taught:
Jesus Christ
The Apostle Paul
The Apostle Peter
The Apostle John
The Prophet Elijah
The Prophet Daniel
The Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith
The Mormon Prophet Brigham Young
The Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley
You see, you err when you assume that assurance of truth is “smugness.” The issue is not in the “assurance,” it is in the “truth.”
Sincerely,
– The Pilgrim
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Dear Anonymous (Andrew):
In regards to your implying that Christianity won’t agree on Hinckley’s whereabouts because of the presence of denominations, I must say that you are mistaken.
Every true Christian denomination holds to the main doctrinal teachings of the Church. They differ on non-essential areas, like observance of holidays or diets, but they all agree on the essentials. It’s when a church finds itself teaching a different gospel or anything contrary to the essential teachings of Christianity that they are no longer considered “Christian.” Much like Mormonism!
Now I would caution you from trying to play the worn out LDS defense card of “cite the Christian denominations as proof they are all wrong.” Especially when you consider there are numerous off-chutes of Mormonism (I am aware that mainstream LDS doesn’t like that fact getting out because they have been trying to convince everyone that there are no “Mormon denominations”).
Allow me to list just a few here:
* LDS Salt Lake City (LDS-SLC)
* Reorganized LDS (Community of Christ)
* Fundamentalist LDS
* Church of Christ (Temple Lot)
* Restoration LDS
* Church of Christ With the Elijah Message
* The Church of Jesus Christ
* The Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times (now defunct)
* The Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerites)
* The Pentecostal LDS
* The Restored Church of Jesus Christ
* The True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
(Thanks to my friend Fourpointer for this list).
Many of these “Mormon denominations” would probably also agree that Mr. Hinckley is not in Heaven, because according to them, the mainstream LDS organization is apostate. (I have to caution you here not to tear down these other “Mormon denominations” because that could be viewed as “smugness”).
I actually have more respect for these groups (although I certainly don’t agree with them) because they at least still hold to the true teachings of Mormonism like polygamy. You know, that everlasting covenant that can still be found in the Mormon cannon of D&C section 132. They didn’t cave to pressure and change their “doctrine” when it became politically expedient to do so when the U.S. government was going to deny statehood to Utah.
And this is no peripheral issue! LDS taught that the practice of polygamy was essential to ones salvation and the soul that did not practice it would be damned.
I’d love to hear where all the other “Mormon denominations” think Mr. Hinckley is at and I’d love to hear what they think about mainstream Mormons acting like they don’t exist.
Sincerely,
– The Pilgrim
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Greetings Pilgrim,
I would like to know Anonymous’ beliefs, to include his views concerning his Mr. Hinckley; why he thinks he is in heaven or hell…or wherever? By his attitude, I wasn’t for certain at first if he was an atheist, a Mormon or just someone looking for an argument. He is obviously very intelligent but to me, I think sometimes, if a person does not set his cards on the table that he is more than likely trying to draw someone into a meaningless one-sided squabble. I know that he is “Works” orientated. I have learned over the years to pick my battles, whereas it is better to dust off the sandals or not to cast pearls. I too thought about Galatians 1:8-9, but in his circumstance I didn’t see it sprouting fruit. I must be getting old?
Have a great week.
Jesus is Lord
Jeff
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Great prophet`
http://rememberinggordonbhinckley.blogspot.com/
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In Reply to you all,
Whether you are Mormon or Christian or Catholic i know not yet you all seem to agree about the bible and that Jesus was the Son of God. to judge a man, whether Charles Manson or mother Theresa, is actually against both of these common grounds. this is Jesus talking and guess where we find this passage? that’s right the bible. MATTHEW 7:1-5:
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
——————-
let me impart to you this. a man whether good or bad WILL be dealt with by the Lord God in the end no matter how good or bad they are. God is a perfect being all just and all merciful and where he sends each of us is really, truthfully none of your business. the only person you should be worried about is yourself. you are your business. For the lord has set aside for you a crown that must be won. whether you choose to win it is your choice. For those who choose to not take this crown shall languish in a place far worse than earth. For those that do the shall fufill the entire purpose of creation to be completely satisfied and happy in the glorious present. We all make these decisions. though mabye this is just a sixteen year old boy who really doesn’t know what he is talking about if that’s the case well i can only hope the lord enlightens me. anyways worry about yourselves.
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