Sermon of the week: “Whoever Controls the Schools Controls the World” by Voddie Baucham.

voddie-bauchamHold onto your hats. Your sermon of the week is a scathing blow to the concept of government education by Voddie Baucham entitled Whoever Controls the Schools Controls the World.

Baucham clearly lays out the argument against Christian parents subjugating their parental responsibilities to the Godless, Marxist behavioral engineering centers known as public schools.

All Christians who have or are expecting to have children need to hear this message. And those who currently have their kids enrolled in government schools may squirm in their seats during Baucham’s message, but this is a message that you simply must hear.

15 thoughts on “Sermon of the week: “Whoever Controls the Schools Controls the World” by Voddie Baucham.

  1. Okay, I will ask this again. If I recall, nobody responded to me last time I asked this regarding Mr. Baucham.

    Does Mr. Baucham at all address the fact that there are some families where there is one devoted Christian and one non-believer?

    What am I, as a Christian woman married to a non-Christian man, supposed to do in this situation? Go against the biblical admonition to submit to him and demand my kids be pulled from public school, or submit to him and keep my kids in public school?

    I don’t need to listen to the message to “squirm in my seat” regarding public schools. I’d give anything to get my kids out. But honestly, what am I supposed to do? Go against a clear biblical command to do so?


  2. That’s a tough one. I pray that your husband will come to know the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Here is a recomendation for you. Pick up a book called “Created to be His Helpmeet”. It is by Debbie Pearl.


  3. Amy,

    I cannot speak for Voddie, but I can provide some insight. My wife and are blessed to have Voddi Baucham as an elder in our church. We were in a small group study of the 1689 London Baptist Confession with Voddie as the teacher. As newcomers to Grace Family Baptist, my wife and I had many questions about how our elders handle sticky issues addressed by the confession – such as “Honoring the Sabbath”. At every question, we were delighted to find that Voddie shrinks back not at all from what the Bible clearly teaches and he is not dogmatic at all on the teachings of man.

    He believes, for instance, that a wife and mother should be at home not at work. But he recognizes that a single mom will likely not be able to do so. The church is here to help here.

    Since the Bible is clear about the wife submitting to a heathen husband, I dare say Voddie would encourage you to obey the Scripture and pray for your husband and be Christ to him, that the Lord might call him to Himself.

    Our elders teach us that children are a blessing from God and we should not “manage” them (how many, when) as we would live stock. Many families in our church have 4 or more kids. My wife and I (blame me) decided to have “2 kids and a dog”. Our kids are grown. We are not belittled in any way. These men who serve as elders know most folk are not taught “the whole counsel of God” and they are humble about helping us walk in the light from where we are – not weighing us down with guilt or programs or rules about life.

    Is educating our kids vitally important? Yes. Are the government schools, in general, a good place for the kids of Christians? No. But if the kids of Christians go to government schools, then the Christian parent needs to do what she can to teach her kids the fear of the Lord. I pray your husband allows that.


  4. Thank you both for your responses.

    Dave C, I will check out that book. Thank you.

    Manfred, thank you for shedding a little light on some questions I had.

    I become very frustrated with books like Mr Baucham’s, because I feel like in so many ways, they just do not apply to those who are not in the “ideal” Christian family. And it is impossible for us to ever measure up.

    I honestly am curious if there are chapters in the book “Family Driven Faith” that address families with unequally yoked parents or single parents. If so, kudos to Mr. Baucham. But if not, I think he is choosing to alienate a lot of Christians who do not fit into the “ideal Christian family” mold…people who may be the ones in greatest need of help and guidance.


  5. Amy,

    My pleasure to be of service. I’ve not read “Family Driven Faith”. Voddie truthfully (as he sees it) teaches the biblical standard, but he is not deceived in thinking anyone meets it. Be it regarding qualification for elder, deacon, or lust. He and Paul emphasize that we cannot even do any good things unless the Holy Spirit work it in and through us. There is a very honest realization that we are each desperately in need of the Lord Jesus moment by moment.

    Let the Word dwell richly in you and guide you, knowing Christ alone meets the Standard.

    I should have included this – I have read Baucham’s book, “What He Must be if He Wants to Marry my Daughter”. This is an excellent book about biblical fatherhood, husbandhood (is that a word?), and wifehood (?). As I read it, I wept with conviction of how I had failed as a husband and father. I rejoiced in knowing our Father never fails. I rejoiced in being able to give this book to my 25 year (not yet married) son and my daughter’s likely future husband. In speaking with Voddie about this book – he did not enjoy my admission of failures; but he did rejoice in my realization of what the Lord can do in a marriage and how we can submit to Him and cooperate with Him rather than fighting against Him by not taking these thoughts captive. He and I agree that our kids are more likely to be more like Jesus as we submit to Him and teach them. Nobody gets kicked because they ain’t perfect – we (including Voddie) all realize that we fall way short. That’s simply no reason to pretend that the Bible is silent.


  6. Amy,

    You ask a very valid question and it is one that is not often dealt with. “What should a Christian wife do when her husband is unsaved?”

    But there is a couple of problems with your question.

    1) Just because a husband is a Christian it will not resolve issues such as whether to homeschool or not. There are many sound Christian husbands that are against homeschooling even when their wife desires to do so. A Christian wife’s response to a non-Christian husband is not different from the response to a Christian husband – submission, respect, love and much prayer.

    My own husband was against my homeschooling. But after sharing the information about homeschooling and his happening to hear about it from James Dobson, he actually announced we were going to homeschool to the realtor bragging about how good the area schools would be for my upcoming kindergarten age student. God will work in mysterious ways when we leave it in His hands.

    The most important thing you can do is to not become a stumbling block to your husband by your own attitudes and behavior. Give the matter over to the Lord in much prayer. Another thing to remember is that there are many, many families that homeschool for reasons other than their faith. The statistics are there to show how homeschool students excel in all areas of their lives, not just as a Christian. Share some of that information with your husband.

    2) Your comments about “the ideal Christian family” and “2nd rate Christian home” are concerning. Amy, I’m sure you realize that there are no ideal families, no perfect families and no Christian family is exactly the same. We are all fallen sinners in need of Grace and we should exhibit grace to our families.

    Amy, you seem to be blaming your husband because he hasn’t become a Christian and ful-filled your plans for your family. We as women cannot make having a “perfect Christian family” an idol in our hearts. The Lord is in full control and you can trust Him to do what is best for your family. That doesn’t mean that you don’t work hard at raising your children up in the Lord, but the things that you cannot change must be given to the Lord. Your responsibility is your response to the Lord and your response to your husband and children. Don’t get in the Lord’s way of working with your husband.

    Even the men here at DefCon would admit they are not perfect and nether are their wives. I’m sure their families are not perfect nor ideal either. The Lord will deal with each of us in His own way and His own timing. The things the Lord is teaching me today is different than what he is teaching another. But my “lesson plans” He has written out for me are different from everyone else’s but they have the same goal my “sanctification” according to His Word.

    Praying for the Lord to encourage you,

    Berean Wife

    P.S. This was the comment I left for you previously when you asked this question before. You must not have seen it since I was so late. 🙂


    I have both read this book and read Voddie Baucham’s new book “What He Must Be … if he wants to marry my daughter.” Especially with the last book, he focuses much on the Father’s role, yet even in an unequally yoked marriage, there is much to learn about parenting in them. But throughout both books he stresses that Christians should not marry non-Christians under any circumstances. When Christians willingly become unequally yoked, they have disobeyed the Lord and will suffer the consequences of disobedience. Nevertheless, the Lord is merciful, forgiving and offers grace to those He loves.

    Occasionally one spouse will become a Christian after they are already married and the other spouse does not. In that instance then the believer must trust in the Lord and be obedient to the Lord.

    1 Peter 3:1-2
    1 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives—
    2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct.

    We as women have to seriously watch that we do not become a hindrance to our husband’s by nagging and judging. I believe that Voddie Baucham would tell you that no matter what you should be respectful, obedient, and submissive to your husband and his wishes. A book by Martha Peace entitled “The Excellent Wife” is very helpful for women to see just how we sabotage our own families by not being obedient to the Lord in our response to our husband. Mrs. Peace has a chapter in her book entitled “Advice for Women Married to Unbelievers; Biblical Principles for a Wife to Follow,” which is the best I have read dealing with that issue.

    Admittedly, your home is not the ideal situation but the Lord often uses less than ideal situations for His Glory:

    Rahab the Harlot (Joshua 2, Joshua 6, Hebrews 11:31)

    Abigail and her unbelieving husband Nabal (See 1 Samuel 25)

    Timothy (Acts 16:1)

    A single mother who practiced Buddhism raised even Voddie Baucham and his father was an absent father who used drugs.

    I even came from a very broken, dysfunctional family (Roseanne the TV show when I was young, looked like an ideal, wonderful family to me!)

    Therefore, you see there is hope for even an unequally yoked family. You just must focus on being obedient to the Lord and let Him do the rest.

    Praying this encourages you,
    Berean Wife


  7. Amy, on behalf of DefCon editors and contributors, I apologize for overlooking your question. I can assure you this was certainly not intentional on my part. Let me see if I can address this from a biblical perspective for you.

    While I cannot understand what you are going through, we can feel for your concern. There are many families in similar situations where either the husband or the wife are true believers and the other is not. This can and often does create issues within the home that are a part of reality. One of the biggest issues I have found in my years of ministry is helping believing spouses deal with the children. More times than not, believing spouses have commented that they would be able to endure much of the differences as they pray for the salvation of their spouses “if it were not for the sake of the children!”

    I can understand your frustration regarding Voddie’s book. I have read his book and found it helpful in a number of areas; however, I am in agreement that many books do at times come across as a presentation to ideal families. (By the way, having just read “The Berean Wife’s” comment, I am in agreement that there are no ideal families! We all struggle even when both mom and dad are true believers and even when several of the young people in the home have placed their faith in Christ alone!)

    I can see how these type of messages would create an even greater ache in your heart when you realize what your children are missing and what you know they have to endure on the road of life as seen from the predominantly ungodly world-view presented by the education system in the western world.

    Two wrongs never make a right and Scriptures give clear instruction to the responsibility of the believing spouse in regards to the spouse who does not have faith in Christ. Paul reveals to us in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16:

    “But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?”

    The apostle Peter makes it clear in 1 Peter 3:1-4:

    “Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. Do not let your adornment be merely outward–arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel– rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.”

    Amy, to go against these biblical admonitions would not be a testimony of the grace of God in your heart as you seek to see the salvation of your husband. Remember that it is the conduct of the wives (or the behavior/lifestyle) that will aid in the “winning” of the spouse. There is another element (the children) involved and there are many times that I wish Scripture was clearer on some of these issues but we can only go by the principles and truths found in its pages as preserved for us. Sadly, children more times than not are caught in the middle of disputes like whether they should have to go to church or whether there should be prayer at mealtimes or whether the education should be in the home or state school.

    As stated by Manfred, we also teach that children are an heritage from the Lord. They are truly a blessing, but what happens when you know they are not getting what is best for them. I would like to share a few more thoughts and ideas. I have shared this with a number of individuals and give these same (or similar) recommendations to the folks in our church whether both are believers or one has an unbelieving spouse.

    1. Pray, pray, and pray some more.
    2. Gain the counsel of a godly pastor and his wife who can and will help you in this matter.
    3. Find a lady who would be a prayerful accountability partner with you. This should be somebody who you can not only share your burdens and concerns, but who will give needed guidance in areas that may need to become more like the Lord Jesus Christ in you the hope of glory.
    4. Ask the Lord to guide you in your home life and see if there is anything there that would be presenting more of a love or desire for the world than for the things of Christ – examples could be what you read or watch on tv etc.
    5. Remember an unbelieving spouse cannot understand the things of God for they are spiritually blinded and that will not change until Christ does the work and makes them a new creation.
    6. Spend inordinate amounts of time with your children teaching them the things of God. The world swallows them for 35-40 hours per week and certainly does not need any more time gaining their attention when they are home.
    7. Remember also that children can either be turned to the Scriptures by what they see in you or they can be turned off to “religion” if that is all they perceive it to be by watching your response to others including your husband.
    8. Realize that your husband may not understand your concern in regards to a godly education as much as he may be concerned that they may “get” what you have in your life or that all of you will become “Christians”. This could be a hardening of his heart to the message of the gospel or it could just be a jaundiced view towards the public school system because he was raised in that and to question it raises many more questions.
    9. Love your children and your husband, but always seek to Jesus Christ preeminent – NOT prominent! 1 Corinthians 10:31 says, “Whether you eat or drink, or whatsoever you do, do ALL to the glory of God.”

    We will continue to keep you in prayer that one day things will change, that your husband will see his need of the Saviour and recognize his lost condition, that one day you will both be together in seeking the best education for your children, and that in all things our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ will be glorified.

    I hope this helps a little more and that some of these recommendations do not cause undue concern. If you have any further questions, feel free to write my wife and I at our email address:

    The Desert Pastor


  8. Bearean Wife,

    Thank you for your response (and I apologize I did not see your other one in the other post).

    To clarify, I have been married for 18 years and saved for almost 5 years. In case anyone wonders how this situation came to be.

    I know there are no perfect families or perfect marriages or even perfect Christians. I hope you understand what I mean when I say that.

    I will check out that book you recommended. Thank you.

    I appreciate your thoughts and have taken them to heart. I kept typing things out and then erasing them, as they were pretty personal, and I am not posting here anonymously.

    One thing I will say is that several years ago, my husband had a vasectomy against my will, and I spent days and days grieving that child I would never have (but did end up having after all…long story!) The grief and loss was very real, even though there was no actual child, only what I envisioned in my mind.

    Lately, I kind of feel like I’ve been grieving that Christian family I may never have, much like I grieved for that child. Perhaps it is just another way of dying to self so that I can better live for the Lord…dying to my own desires so I can fulfill His. But I can’t say it still doesn’t hurt when I read posts like the one above, knowing my children’s schooling is not something I have control over right now.

    Again, thanks for your time and thoughts.

    Desert Pastor,

    Thank you for taking the time to address my post! There are some things I want to respond to, but I need to go assemble a tuna casserole for our dinner before the noodles dry out (the fact that I am making tuna casserole is another issue all together…wouldn’t the Proverbs 31 Woman make something like prime rib? :o) )


  9. Amy,

    As you even said, God was in control of your family despite what your husband did. 🙂

    One verse to remember is:

    Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, KJV

    The Lord can restore all that has been lost and with an abundance.

    Your statement is quite profound:

    “Lately, I kind of feel like I’ve been grieving that Christian family I may never have, much like I grieved for that child. Perhaps it is just another way of dying to self so that I can better live for the Lord…dying to my own desires so I can fulfill His.”

    Sometimes we fight tooth and nail for our desires when the Lord has much better planned for us. I think C.S. Lewis said something similar “That the child fights to play with mud pies, when the beach is offered, because they don’t know any better.”

    If I can help any my website has my email address.

    Praying for you,

    Berean Wife


  10. Amy,

    Actually, I think the Proverbs 31 woman would DEFINITELY make tuna casserole! LOL We were never well off growing up and much of our marriage, but we still like tuna casserole when we have it! We always bow our heads and give thanks for the Lord’s provisions even in the midst of adversity. I look forward to your response.

    The Desert Pastor


  11. Dear Amy:

    I first want to apologize if I caused you any offense or stumble. The posts regarding Christians and homeschooling (and even the remark about squirming in your seat) are primarily directed at those who have the ability and means to do what is right (remove their kids from the godless government indoctrination centers and take responsibility for their kids’ education) but refuse to do so for whatever lame reasons they want to provide (this sermon actually discusses some of the more popular excuses for Christian parents who abdicate their God-given responsibility to the government).

    This however, does not mean that someone in your situation is bad.

    Is your situation ideal? No. Of course not. But again, Voddie’s message is primarily for those who can, but don’t.

    I sense a bitterness (from your first comment on this thread and your comment on the other thread) at those who have what you call an “ideal Christian family.”

    Truthfully, no one has this “ideal Christian family” that you speak of. I fail daily, (hourly), as a husband and father and I hate it. I despise my shortcomings and wonder (often) how and why God (and even my kids) would still want anything to do with me when I am such a poor example of what a husband and father should be.

    Your situation is different than mine. Mine is different than Berean Wife’s. Berean Wife’s is different than Manfred’s. And Manfred’s is different than the Desert Pastor’s. We should not compare our lives with others (even though it is so very difficult to avoid). Many times what we see on the surface is not what is happening behind the scenes as we all struggle with different things.

    Now in regards to your issue with your type of situation not being addressed enough in Voddie’s books/sermons, please understand, I am fully of the understanding that he is primarily speaking to those with the ability but are too busy keeping up with the Jones’ to burden themselves with their own childrens’ education.

    His message may not be what you need to hear because it does not fit your particular situation, but it is what I and many others do need to hear. Whereas one who lectures or pens a missive on what to do in your type of situation would be perfect for you, but would not have the same meaning and impact for me. Not every instruction can be a one-size-fits-all. (I posted a piece last summer on the issue of the ills of a wife that ‘manipulates’ her husband into going to church. You can view it here if you wish.)

    Now Voddie does address single motherhood in this sermon, and he puts the responsibility for help onto the local church. Sadly, however, many local churches are too busy trying to entertain the goats than to care for the poor, the widowed, the orphans, the missionaries abroad, and those in situations like yours. And this brings us back to square one and why DefCon exists:

    The visible church has failed to function the way it’s supposed to and has become a joke. And to fill this vacuum, we have people honestly defending the merits of profanity and sexually explicit language in the pulpit. All the while people like you and many, many others are out there hurting and needing help. It’s scandalous; it’s why we do what we do.

    – The Pilgrim

    P.S. I like Tuna casserole too!


  12. I sense a bitterness (from your first comment on this thread and your comment on the other thread) at those who have what you call an “ideal Christian family.” –Pilgrim

    Oh no, please don’t think that. I am very frustrated with my own circumstances, but I am not bitter toward my brothers and sisters. I’d never make it without you all! I have been helped much just in this comment section, and I am very appreciative.

    And my frustration is probably a lack of faith on my own part…a lack of faith that God can and will keep my children and protect them as I send them out in the midst of wolves every day.

    Desert Pastor, I can’t remember what I wanted to respond to regarding your post. I read through it again this morning, and I think your advice is very good, esp. #6 and #7. Thank you.


  13. The frustrating part for me is I came to Christ four years ago and my wife refuses to take my six year old son to Church or teach him about God. She recently returned to her mother country and although I see my son as frequently as possible, he is not being raised properly. I have on countless occassion told her I wanted to take care of him but she refuses to consider this even though she really does not want to care for him properly herself. She said I changed and am not the person she married. I pray for both of them constantly and pray that God’s grace will shine on her. I know we are saved by faith through Grace but I so want to raise my son with Christian beleifs. This is a cross I bear. To show true love for God I must trust and love Him and love those who hurt me.

    Please pray for my wife and son.


  14. Frustrated,

    I know two men in my former church who were saved or revived after getting married and getting children. Each of them had their wives leave them, because they hate the Lord and their husbands love the Lord more than their wives. One of them was left with 2 small girls as their mother ran off with a young pup to live a kept woman. The other man’s wife ran off to live as bar hopper.

    Both men are joyful in the Lord, knowing that Christ is the most important person.

    I report these to encourage you to keep your focus on Christ; keep praying for your wife and child. We know all things are in His hands and He is working out your sanctification.


  15. Mr. Baucham,
    Thank you for having the courage and love of the children and the future generations by speaking this important message that Pastors’ across the Country are fearful to preach because of worry of retribution from parents because most Christian families put their children in Public School.
    Public School is the single greatest attack on our children and Christianity. Even more dangerous than the internet, tv, etc.
    Christians appear to have given up and allowed the Atheist/Humanist/Marxists to take over the Public School system and having done nothing different after this takeover. When are Christians going to honor God and give their children a Christian education. Children are being taught that the book of Genesis is a lie and that there is no God. I will never understand or accept the failure to protect te children. God bless our children and I pray that this Country will wake up and protect their children and honor God


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