Compromising with a cult.

Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. Matthew 24:11

Here is a brief but shocking article from Presbyterian Pastor Jay Moses (whose profile says that he “comes from an ecumenical past“) that you must read to believe:

Reflections from Nauvoo by Pastor Jay

I have always found two things in life to be true:  God plants good people in every race or religion, and I’ve never met a Mormon I didn’t like.  I found both of these convictions confirmed in my experience with the Red Carpet trip, with First Pres and LDS Wheaton Ward, to Nauvoo last May 22nd-23rd.

A joint group of over 80 participants from each community boarded a bus and headed South/West to the historic town of Mormon Nauvoo.  We were given the hospitality of the LDS and Church of Christ churches as we learned more about one of the fastest growing religions in the world and the largest religion born on post-pilgrim American soil.  People are more than intellectual dogmas and beliefs … these beliefs are lived and embodied in our families and communities; it is imperative that we enter into each other’s sacred spaces and places, into each other’s tragedies and joys, if we truly seek to know each other as we seek to be known:  that is as children of God.

Nauvoo is a symbol for the intersection of both of these occurrences in a community’s life; joy and tragedy. I was especially moved by being invited to preach at the place (70’s Hall) and pulpit that Joseph Smith occupied so long ago. The fact that a community who experienced so much pain and estrangement from mine, both historically and theologically, would extend such grace to me was an experience of reconciliation and love that I will never forget and will continue to grow into.

As Joseph Smith left the common road of his day, he was plagued by a question that is as relevant now as it was 150 years ago: “What church is the right one?”  From this trip a powerful reply could be formulated:  the one that loves the other as themselves.

Also check out the pictures of this church’s “interfaith fellowship trip” on the church’s website here, which includes: posing in front of an LDS temple, a photo of the statue of Moroni, and an interfaith worship service described as follows:

. . . everyone attended an interfaith worshop [sic] service together on Sunday morning, May 23, 2010, with both Dr. Jay Moses from First Presbyterian . . . and LDS Bishop Reed Nuttal . . . preaching.

This event was even featured in a recent Mormon Times article (found here).

The problem isn’t so much that Jay Moses wants to compromise with the cult of Mormonism (he’s entitled to shipwreck his own soul if he wants to). The problem is that he’s leading his congregation (including children) down that broad path with him. I wonder, was there anyone–even one–in that  church that stood up and protested?

I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Acts 20:29-30

This level of error, compromise, and downright apostasy is nothing new in the church; even the disciples in the first century dealt with those who crept in unnoticed with the goal of harming the sheep (see all the epistles).

What is ironic, however, is that the LDS organization is willing to compromise with Christians (even if the Christians are in name only). The current Mormon hierarchy has been relentless in their insatiable quest to appear more like Christians. And what makes this so intriguing is that Mormonism’s founders were rabidly anti-Christian. See some of the lovely things that founding Mormon leaders taught and believed about Christians and Christianity here.

Truth is, if Mormonism’s founders knew what has become of Mormonism, they’d be rolling in their graves.

It’s apparent why modern day Mormonism is trying to assimilate in its endeavor to appear Christian, but it’s not so clear why a man, charged with the shepherding of his flock in a little Presbyterian church, would deliberately lead those in his congregation into the arms of a cult rife with damnable doctrines of demons.

It’s also very sad that so many in his church followed him in this seduction when anyone with even a shred of discernment knows Mormonism worships a different god than the God who has reveled Himself in Scripture. Even Mormonism’s late prophet Gordon B. Hinckley conceded that Mormons and Christians don’t believe in the same Jesus when he said in June of 1998 in LDS Church News:

In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.’  “No, I don’t.  The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.  For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this Dispensation of the Fullness of Times.”

This axiom renders the very idea of Christians (monotheists) and Mormons (polytheists) worshiping together as impossible.

Bernard P. Brockbank said in the Mormon publication The Ensign in May 0f 1977 (page 26):

It is true that many Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshiped by the Mormons or The Church of Latter-day Saints.

Even a cursory perusal of Mormon doctrine corroborates the fact that the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Mormonism are starkly different, and since the Jesus of Scripture said that He was the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and that no one gets to the Father except through Him (John 14:6), then those trusting in the Mormon “Jesus” have placed their hope and faith in a counterfeit Christ, and counterfeit Christ’s cannot save.

I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! Galatians 1:6-9

HT: Mormon Outreach via facebook

13 thoughts on “Compromising with a cult.

  1. This deceived Presbyterian displays a spiritually dead comprehension of “good”, looking with fleshly eyes at the deeds of man rather than with spiritual eyes through the filter of the Word of God. Saints of the living God who are members of that church ought to confront this dude and throw him out.


  2. “Pastor” Jay Moses has committed acts that leave him unqualified to be a shepherd any longer. I can’t believe he is that ignorant of the teachings and history of the LDS.

    He was “moved” to be in Smith’s pulpit – I would also be moved – moved to retch!

    Moses has bought the lie that Joseph didn’t know what church to join – that is a story concocted many years after the start of the church, to justify himself as a prophet. The first vision story has so many versions, it’s difficult to keep track of.

    And his remark about LDS tragedies forgot to mention that the majority of their tragedies, including so-called persecution, was self-inflicted.


  3. Unpopular we are to be soon…indeed. Seeing links to Mormons (plus Buddists and Muslims) on more than several “Christian”websites-popping up one by one, day by day. The 2 pics that you posted says it all. Not one lick of discernment,…of course what does that have to do with anything?!! “A joint group of over 80 participants from each community”…chilling. It’s time for the LUUUUV.


  4. Mormons’ theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

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    Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:

    11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.


  5. bot1,

    Everything you cite is the work of man – not the Word of God.

    The Bible makes clear that, from the beginning, some people would lead others astray with doctrines of demons. That one can find people claiming to be Christians in any given century who practice unbiblical doctrines is no surprise. Neither is that the test of what a Christian is.

    The Pew survey did not examine what groups know about the Bible – it surveys people on what they know about religion in the culture.

    There is a built-in contradiction in the phrase “non-Trinitarian Christian”. The Bible clearly reveals three persons of the Godhead with distinct roles and personalities.

    Christ said the way to eternal life is rugged, through a narrow gate. I want to be known as a narrow minded Christian – there is no other way to peace with God.


  6. Which is the work of man?

    a) Fourth Century Creeds crafted to appease an Emperors’s Hellenistic beliefs (e.g. worship of a Sun God)

    b) First and Second Century disciples of Jesus Christ


  7. bot1:

    Both of your statements are the work of man. And those alleged disciples of Jesus whom the Mormons claims are a) a fantasy made up Mormons or b) not disciples of Jesus – like the infamous Thomas of his Gnostic “gospel”. False Christs have been around since the garden as have false disciples.

    The LDS church is a den of Satan.


  8. Bot1,
    The LDS has no idea what 1st Century Christianity looked like. They don’t study the early church at all – the only studies I ever see report on the gnostics and other heretical sects.

    You also revise history – the 4th century creeds were not done to appease an emperor – they were done to define the faith against the heresies which were entering the church. And they were essentially expositions and explanations of earlier creeds.

    The Triune God is all through Scripture, but more defined in the N.T. I can demonstrate this conclusively. And nowhere in the Bible, or the Book of Mormon for that matter, will you find a multiplicity of gods and man becoming a god – that was all developed by Smith much later. In fact, there is much in the D&C and POGP which directly contradicts the BOM and the Bible.

    As for “Christian Characteristics,” who is the judge of that? Man? And the type of characteristics noted are all works.

    It is the Bible which narrowly defines Christianity. And there is also a lot of revisionist history about those who signed the Declaration – but what their beliefs were has no bearing on what Christianity is.

    How about explaining why you follow the teachings of a con-man necromancer who made up the BOM out of whole cloth. Why do you follow a “prophet” who had over 50 false prophecies that I know of? Why do you believe the BOM when it has no archaeological support, no geographical support, and no support in any other field? Why do you follow teachings based on the Book of Abraham which was supposedly translated from an Egyptian funeral document?


  9. We do know that Christian orthodoxy before Nicea was not the Trinitarian creeds now popular:

    ‘Subordinationism’, it is true, was pre-Nicean orthodoxy. ‘Subordinationism’ is a doctrine which means that Jesus and/or the Holy Ghost are ‘subordinate’ or ‘subject’ to God the Father. In subordinationism, Jesus must be a separate being from the Father, because you can’t be subject to yourself! This was the orthodox position before the Nicean council. Ideas that were once orthodox were later considered unacceptable after the councils altered and added to the doctrine.

    Writers who are usually reckoned orthodox but who lived a century or two centuries before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy, such as Irenaeus and Tertullian and Novatian and Justin Martyr, held some views which would later, in the fourth century, have been branded heretical…Irenaeus and Tertullian both believed that God had not always been a Trinity but had at some point put forth the Son and the Spirit so as to be distinct from him. Tertullian, borrowing from Stoicism, believed that God was material (though only of a very refined material, a kind of thinking gas), so that his statement that Father, Son and Spirit were ‘of one substance’, beautifully orthodox though it sounds, was of a corporeality which would have profoundly shocked Origen, Athanasius and the Cappadocian theologians, had they known of it.


  10. bot1,

    You continue to argue from man’s wisdom. Listen to what the Creator said: “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”

    Repent from distorted half truths and twisted historical records of what men may have done. Read the Word of God – not the Mormon imitation – and cry out to Him for the grace to believe. Else you will perish.


  11. bot1,
    Irenaeus, Tertullian, Novatian, and even Justin Martyr were all converts and held some baggage from previous beliefs. While they are very good reading for understanding some of the beliefs that were in vogue, not all of what they taught or understood was orthodox. The Bible is what we must use as our standard as to what the Christian faith is or isn’t. If it isn’t in the Scripture, it can’t be trusted 100% of the time.

    Unfortunately, the LDS have added to Scripture material that can’t be trusted at all!


  12. It’s funny how people who belong to a cult like to accuse others of being in a cult. Everything these bozos say about Joseph Smith, can also be said about Paul of Tarsus. Both started a false cult about the Jewish Jesus. Both religions teach false doctrines, and the followers of both are going to hell en mass. If you want to get right with God, you must become a Jew, and follow the teachings of the Prophet Jesus, as it is the true religion. For it is said Salvation is of the Jews, repent and be Baptized into the true religion!


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