Quotes (848)

Peruse the Christian marketplace, and you will find a plethora of books, songs, and paintings that depict God as a loving Father. And He is that. . . . Yes, God is a loving Father, but He is also a wrathful Judge. In His wrath He hates sin. . . . And in some sense, God also hates sinners. You might ask, “What happened to ‘God hates the sin and loves the sinner’?” Well, the Bible happened to it.

– David Platt

13 thoughts on “Quotes (848)

  1. “And in some sense, God also hates sinners.” FAIL! In an otherwise great quote, Mr. Platt misses this important point entirely. The wrath of God is being stored up to be poured out on SINNERS – not their sin – on Judgment Day. Christ drank that cup of wrath on behalf of God’s elect, saving us by the grace of God from God. It’s personal – for both the saint and the sinner.


  2. I am certainly not one of the “God is love and therefore wouldn’t send anyone to hell” crowd. But to say “God hates sin but loves the sinner is an unbiblical concept, because actually God hates the sinner”, flies in the face of some foundational things about God’s character. Please bear with me as I try to explain.

    Does God hate sin? Absolutely. That is foundational to His character, and is consistent with both Testaments. And I hope that is so well understood that I don’t need to run down volumes of verses to support that. But does God truly hate all sinners? If that is true, then He hates every man that He created, and still does, for ALL have sinned (even the elect) and come short of the glory of God (Rom.3:23). What then are we to make of verses such as:

    “For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own LOVE TOWARD US, in that WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, Christ died for us (Romans 5:6-8).

    “And Jesus, looking at him, LOVED him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” ” (Mark 10:21-23)

    “In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins” (1 John 4:10)

    Then of course we have John 3:16, which is quite clear that it is BECAUSE God loves man, that He sent His only begotten Son, so that sinful man would not perish in his sins.

    It is clear from Scripture that God loves the sinner, which is the very reason He left heaven to pay the penalty for that man’s sins. Not only that, but while we were HOSTILE to Him, He loved us enough to die for us. To say otherwise is to attack the clear truth of the Scriptures as well as His very character.

    On the other hand, to say “Sure I’m a sinner, but because God loves me, He’ll overlook my sins” betrays a serious lack of understanding of how God deals with sin, and cheapens and distorts the sacrificial work Jesus performed on the cross.

    Where did the phrase “love the sinner, but hate the sin” come from? Augustine of Hippo (not Ghandi, as Mark Driscoll affirms). Not that I am a supporter of all of Augustine, but is his statement a biblically sound maxim? I believe in essence it is. For just as God loves the sinner (as displayed in His word the Bible), yet hates sin, so should His followers. If, however, God hates the sinner, then how am I as His child to think of the sinner in any other way but to hate him as well. Thus, with that mentality, I would have to hate all men, for all men sin. How am I then to practice His command to love my enemies?

    Will those sinners who have not been clothed with the blood of Christ burn for all eternity in the Lake of Fire? Absolutely! But I don’t see in scripture where it is because God hates them. What I do see is that because they have not the blood of Christ upon them, they are bearing God’s predetermined judgement for their own sins. The guilty must bear the penalty for their crimes. And how can the all-righteous Judge of all mankind do otherwise?

    Thus I see a major conflict, both of God’s character, as well as the truth of the Scriptures, to say, or infer, that God hates the sinner.


  3. DavidW – we sinners who have been made saints are no longer the object of God’s wrath. The Great Exchange removed us from the goat line to the sheep line. When we read in the Bible about God’s wrath – that concept, not His displeasure, not trials, etc. – on sinners, those sinners are the ones about whom Romans 8:1 is not describing; they are the ones John 3:36 describes. God is perfectly consistent. He hates sin and the ones who do it. That is why no mortal can do anything to save himself. The Lord Jesus kept – fulfilled – the Law of God and Moses perfectly and gave Himself – drank the cup of God’s wrath due sinners – for those His Father has given Him.


  4. My understanding (which could be flawed) is that Psalm 11:4-6 make it clear that God hates sinners as well as sin. I think, however, that his hatred of sinners does not nullify His love for sinners. Hatred and love are not opposites. The opposite of love is indifference. Our holy, righteous, loving, wrathful, just, jealous, merciful, and gracious God is certainly NOT indifferent.


  5. And in my understanding I see no conflict in this apparent contradiction.

    God is angry (hates) the wicked. So how does He love us? Because He loves His elect. His elect are the one’s Christ died for, not the wicked. When we come to understand this, this conflict ceases to be an issue.

    If this conflicts with one’s current understanding of Scripture, I direct you to two profound sermons that completely puts to bed any doubt that Christ died solely for His chosen (which means He can justly still hate the wicked):

    The Atonement: Real or Potential by John MacArthur
    Grace Secured: Limited Atonement by Brian Borgman

    – Pilgrim


  6. Thank you Manfred, Ministry Addict and Pilgrim. I don’t have a conflict with God being angry with the wicked, and that His children (made so by the blood of Christ) are not the wicked. My conflict is with the broad definition of “sinner” as it is placed in that maxim (which I tried to explain above). If I’m the only one having a problem with this, then I obviously need to do more study.


  7. Whether God loves me but if I stay unsaved I have to take the punishement or God loves me until His wrath, etc…bottom line is thier is a wrath the unsaved who reject Gods love & grace in Lord Jesus (the Way, Truth & Life) the narrow road, will have to endure. This is crystal clear…so all the lost need to repent & turn to Jesus while they still can! One will have an eternity someplace to ponder on how God operates in His love…but where will this be? It’s vital that the lost really do understand that thier are eternal consequences for thier choices; and not be told the satanic lie that since God is love, He would not punish the wicked whom die in thier sins. Perhaps some whom understand the cost will repent and see just how grievious mankind is in our fallen state & just how gracious Gods love really is to love a wretch like you & I.


  8. Yet, Lynne – it is NOT up to the lost to decide for Christ. Those spiritually dead in their sin CANNOT turn to Christ; those effectively called by God and made alive in Christ CANNOT say no to Him. The urgency is for the redeemed in Christ to proclaim the Gospel to dead people everywhere and trust the Lord to save His elect, for His glory.


  9. …Manfred thank you for that comment. This has been upon my heart since that comment last left. After reading the above post & clicking on Pilgrams post links…it has I believe spirtually greatly impacted me. I ‘m humbled at the implications. I’m not certain I understand it all, I know that we the saved are the “Elect” that by God’s grace He choose out of the world. It has weighed heavy on my heart that all deserve eternal punishement in whatever way God judges and that its an extrodinary act of love, mercy & grace for God to not give us all we deserve & choose us to make us His children and only those whom are the “Elect” are His. However, whether this means that the “Elect” are so because theese are the ones God already know out of all that are called & by Gods grace are able to believe on Jesus & made the choice to recieve while the rest did not …or if the “Elect’ are certain ones called out of the world to salvation & CANNOT choose otherwise (less I’m in error in what you mean)…I honestly do not know. I would be lieing if I said I was certain 100%. Nevertheless, I’m growing & studying and do only know for certain that God knows whom the ‘Elect” are & our job is to share the good news & all truth of God He desires us to share in love by His power & leave the results up to Him. I guess that was my main point. Yet, the truth of it all is quite sobering & I’m eternally grateful that God choose a wretch like me.


  10. I like how the pastor of the church I am attending summed up Calvinism vs. “free-will”: “I know God chose me before the world began, and I knew I made a decision. Whether I even really had a choice or not does not affect my salvation.”


  11. I often believe that I have been such a diapmpoinstent. But, know that when God sees me he sees Jesus. But, here is what I often think about. If God sees Jesus who died for all of our sins, what does Jesus see when he looks down on earth. I try so very hard to be a good person and when I try really hard, I fail. But, when I run to Jesus to say I am sorry, he holds out his arms takes me into a tight hug and tells me it is okay. Go try again but, let me help you. Each day is better than the day before.


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